I'd like to hear from the experience of people who gave otto/ Brutus at high level with guard/ MANA spring or CRIt/ ret. I had both Otto shell, and Brutus shell antidote. I sacrificed both. Brutus was OK, but a little boring to play and normal attack was a bummer. I am wanting to hear from people who have these characters at high level... 23 and up, and how they like them with mentioned skill paths, or if they didn't like them and sacrificed them with the above skill paths. Thanks for all input!!